Curse

Deirdre O Sorrows · Dec 19, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Undeniably, Minion Factory (either Lulu's or mods) is one of the most fun builds in tombs. Almost every time I'm in a group someone is asking the poor ranger to bring 12 spirits and oh, how about a couple traps? Most people agree it's good to bring winnowing and predatory season, but there's an even split as to whether or not favorable winds does anything for fiends.

Here is the description for FW:
Create a level 1-8 Spirit. For creatures within its range, arrows move twice as fast as normal and strike for +6 damage. This Spirit dies after 30-126 seconds.

Now, does this mean the arrows fly twice as fast AT the creatures within FW range or that it speeds up projectiles fired BY creatures, i.e. fiends?

Can someone please put this debate to rest?

Murder In China · Dec 19, 2005, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Arrows in flight MOVES 2x faster AT the target.

Deirdre O Sorrows · Dec 19, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murder In China

Arrows in flight MOVES 2x faster AT the target.

Yes, it's a given that the arrows will be aimed at a target. The question is, whom or what is firing the arrows? The description mentions creatures. Creatures as targets or creatures firing at targets?

Murder In China · Dec 20, 2005, 01:16 AM // 01:16

It doesn't whom fires an arrow, minions, humans, dwarfs, and etc are all creatures.

Pardoz · Dec 20, 2005, 08:04 AM // 08:04

The real question is not whether minions are creatures (obviously they are), but whether minions fire "arrows", and all the evidence I've seen points to "no, they don't."

mortalis doleo · Dec 20, 2005, 10:56 AM // 10:56

from everything i have heard, and common sense... no, FW does not effect minions. minions, or the thingies they hurl at enemies, are not "arrows".

Ray · Dec 20, 2005, 11:03 AM // 11:03

Worked in Sorrows Furnace yesterday.

Deirdre O Sorrows · Dec 20, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

Worked in Sorrows Furnace yesterday.

Can you please describe how well it worked and how you tested it?

I have googled this question to death. No one has a definitive Yes or No as to whether or not fiends fire faster with FW. I did find an archived post that said FW works, but they qualified that with "at least they used to."

How do we figure this out?

mortalis doleo · Dec 20, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

if it did work, shouldnt it be seen when you are attacked by a fiend?
-20
-4 (winnowing)
-6 (favorable winds)

shouldnt that be the case?

Scrubs Can Die · Dec 20, 2005, 03:05 PM // 15:05

The damage from both is added into the total and not displayed seperately.

mortalis doleo · Dec 20, 2005, 05:25 PM // 17:25

a shame...

so how would someone test the effectiveness of FW with fiends?

fiery · Dec 20, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28

it works.. FW gives the damage bonus..next time you play the MM.. you can see 30-40 damage per hit.

Deirdre O Sorrows · Dec 20, 2005, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by mortalis doleo

a shame...

so how would someone test the effectiveness of FW with fiends?

It looks like the only way I'll be able to get this question answered is to test it myself. :/ Should have a concrete answer within a few days and will provide screenshots to back up my claims.